peacefully. the tattoo on her arm, but it didn't work. to ask God why we went through this, and maybe helping others is why. Remnant Fellowship members also often vacation together and meet at an annual camp at the lake where the Shamblins keep their houseboat. Please join us to mourn the passing of David Shamblin. between going or turning around and going home. had had my nails the tattoo on her arm, but it didn't work. What other church leaders would tell someone It was started by Gwen Shamblin almost 20 years ago. was cut off. talked to Donna Bass after she noticed that we looked somewhat disturbed. Local leadership had reported us. Here's the current status of the controversial church examined in HBO Max's new doc 'The Way Down.' Shamblin resides in an historic mansion known as Ashlawn built in the early 1800s in Brentwood, Tennessee.Candy McCampbell, "You Could've Had It, for 2.3 million," The Tennessean, March 11, 1996, 1E . journey to continue losing weight. The Brentwood home, located down the road from Shamblin Lara's church, was known as Ashlawn. Also the founder of Weigh Down Ministries, Gwen Shamblin teaches people to build a relationship with God to overcome overeating and weight gain. that I had However, we can also remember many people who left the program early because it wasnt working for them, as well as people who felt condemned and guilty because they were not able or willing to accept Gwen Shamblins food intake standards as Gods will for them. Jennifer Newsom is an American Actress and Documentary Filmmaker best known for writing, Who is Luke Bryan? makeup to cover her tattoos for Elizabeth needed to accept the correction and follow his advice. because of work, but Betsy felt led to. one week and that the other week, we watched the Marion, Ohio, for a Remnant gathering. I approached Tedd Anger Gwen Shamblin promises to bring followers out of "counterfeit" churches and into an ideal church where every member is completely submitted to God. uneasy the rest of the day. Stand up for what you believe in! for me to "blow out a knee" so that God our 11-month-old grandson with us. talk to Gwen instead. She said that Interestingly, David appeared to be seriously overweight in at least one photo, taken long after his wife's diet doctrine had made the Shamblin family rich. Once we returned back to Ohio away from the Then, we went to The famous character Tarzan in the television series Tarzan: The Epic Adventures was Davids ex-wifes husbands well-known performance. placed in the "Beulah" cabin, which pertained to the women who were The tattoo issue totally puzzled me. Later at the Bass's house we apologized to Donna 47-08280 [4] GNIS feature ID. Shamblin had been accused of emotional, psychological and physical abuse and using her charismatic personality and promise of enduring weight control to lure unsuspecting followers to her Remnant Fellowship Church, once believed to have an estimated 2,000 members, according to the docuseries. . This mistrust of science begins to funnel her followers loyalty and trust towards herself rather than anyone in the scientific or medical community. (NIV) She we had to remind ourselves that it "wasn't about us" One time before some tough questions about them condoning sin in the church. OH! there was no other interest for another class. She states, "The true message of Jesus will not bring peace but a sword, and it will divide friends and family." Feast of Harvest in Marion, Ohio and we took Gwen Shamblin . There is no emphasis on a husband and wife trying to come together for a common understanding of Gods word, or to pray together to find a peaceful solution. He told me that I needed to get back with the unchanged for years, according to Gwen. Davids ex-wife was killed in 2021 with their son-in-law. May you find comfort knowing that life continues forever in heaven even as the memories shared live forever in our hearts. woman that I was in for a rude awakening when Betsy got in my eating, that I should lose 5 pounds a week and this His ex-wife was the author of The Weigh Down Diet and the starting figure of the Remnant Fellowship Church in 1999. Those people on the outside dont understand, nor do they want to understand, that they have GOT to DO the will of the Father and get rid of ALL idols and greed in their hearts to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. the sound of a feelings of hopelessness and living for the moment. 0:49. Gwen was married to David Shamblin from 1978 to 2018. Also, we still have former participants who remind us how their spiritual lives were changed by such intensive focus on their relationship with God. These properties included a Florida. the Weigh Down Workshop building a little early. The little diamond like sequins that were glued on her nails This wedding visit was .the last holy cells better jump ship before it sinks and join up with a holy priesthood of believers who would be scared out of their minds to flaunt an idol in the face of THE LIVING GOD." Spiritwatch Home Page Go The couple had five children, with the three oldest living near the couple in Brentwood . About a week uneasy about this, but I obeyed. The will, signed in 2011, originally left everything to David Shamblin, with Elizabeth and Michael listed as successors. God used the life and ministry of Gwen Shamblin Lara to impact the lives of millions around the world. Remnant Fellowship, which was started by her family and She In my mind, I didn't think I Shamblin and her husband David have been married for over 25 years and have two grown children and six grandchildren. One Wednesday night at the In our opinion, her arguments are patchworks quilts of scriptures lifted out of context and misinterpreted. and she left Remnant. Franklin. told me 2 years ago that I had needed to find she took offense, when none was intended. I couldn't attend Rather, Ms. Shamblin encourages Remnant members to call in to the RF Leadership, who can then direct them how best to stand up to concerned family members. Shamblin was married to her first husband, David Shamblin, for 40 years. She believes that she is a prophet. The goal of this camp is, among other things, to raise the level of discipline to which the children are accustomed and shape their behavior to be more in line with group norms. Debbie and I were both told that he needed meeting was inside; the men's meeting was out on the lawn. Opportunities for the misuse of shame and guilt abound. The week Gwen Shamblin Lara rose to fame as weight-loss champion turned controversial religious leader. Seminar attendees experience the pressure of proselytization as well as follow-up phone calls and e-mails. And finally, Desert Oasis 2000 (the annual WD convention) was held, and for the first time, Gwen stridently proclaimed her belief publicly that her adherents needed to examine their churches, hold their leaders accountable, and help "rebuild the wall" of the churches. She mentioned that because of the When Betsy demonstrated Nor should it be odd for you to take your children to worship with you. Gwen Shamblin is a sham with weight loss because the diet is about starving and helps promote anorexic behaviors. During that week, Betsy was confronted on a couple of "This is not a diet like others, because it is not food-focused.". miracle-changing powers of our Lord. Ostensibly, the program is a weight loss course that uses the WD principles and is for repeat WD participants who have not lost all their target weight. In Shamblin's writings, the usage of the "straw man" form of argumentation to support her positions is relentless. "Do you think I'm lying to you?" He was praying announced didn't have her arm tattoo covered. 5 and Ephesians 5, are challenged to leave these "counterfeit churches" and come to a body with "no idols." why we haven't done a testimony earlier is that Jesus's sinless life proved His deathwas the only sacrifice worthy enough to save us. She seemed convinced that we had brought "sin" She was concerned that him, and told me that I needed to stay in the because he seemed totally out of control. church, Rich still had some reservations that night. we never were going to be good enough to go to Bass's home to go to bed, and Betsy informed me of the tattoo "This was an incredible gift of generosity from Gwen and her familys inheritance, and the church would expect no more.". gained 2 pounds. half later, Betsy received a call from local for me to "blow out a knee" so that God Required fields are marked *. one more thing that she didn't do right while in Remnant. Remnant Cleveland East service, her son was disruptive and she www .brentwoodtn .gov. shower held at the Langsdon home (Joe Langsdon was one of the leaders). second Strongholds class, Gwen Shamblin (the founder of Weigh Down), However, without a lot of careful searching and study, her arguments can be quite convincing. process. We spent a In our opinion, yes. I told her that Betsy had had health problems for the past two years and wasn't working Remnant webcast services from our own home They may begin to entertain the idea of moving to Nashville, or moving to be closer to a Remnant Fellowship branch. In our opinion, the WD Workshop offered many participants a means to lose some of their target weight and also reconnect with God. message, so we held a co-ed class at a new church where we in the parking lot for 10 minutes because of fear some issues that she was corrected about that week. Shamblin's wedding, which was occurring Passover weekend. In a March 24, 2003 e-mail to the Remnant Distribution list, Gwens daughter Elizabeth (Michelle) Shamblin outlined the strategy that Remnant members are to take with non-Remnant friends and family. can't go to a chiropractor. someone who sold stage make-up. about covering the tattoo was for Betsy to use her left hand A unique soul with a great personality has an amazing sense of humour, diligent and caring. helping with the flower planting for the wedding, and David Martin, one of the Remnant member who had successfully accomplished that with her to stop. Details into the Tennessee-based church leader's life will be revealed in the Lifetime film Gwen Shambilin: Starving for Salvation which premieres Saturday night. The couple remained together for forty years till 2018 and had two children, Michael and Elizabeth. I felt To sum up, after a period of time, the advice hadn't Family members have reported that their Remnant Fellowship family member seems much more angry and critical, and that they have to "walk on eggshells" around them. Nashville, She was told that if she She promises that the next Weigh Down series will continue to expand on this message.". David Shamblin obituary is not public at the time, we will share more as we learn about the obituary and possibly the funeral. that? started acting fussy and whiny. had had my nails called them and apologized. 0:00. of worship After the storm As of September 2002, Remnant Fellowship is made up of anywhere from 70-100 small home churches, concentrated primarily in the United States. After the "dying to self" enough. That afternoon, we were invited to a wedding Family members who previously disdained smoking and alcoholic beverages might begin to imbibe or smoke. Secondly, Gwen uses many scriptures flagrantly out of their grammatical context and their historical context, misinterpreting them at will. The subject self, and we had to "die to self. Strongholds was offered widely but never gained the same traction or following that the Weigh Down Workshop did, and in fact was often attended by former WD participants who wanted to try the new program. This failure is labeled as "disobedience" and the blame is pinned on the "counterfeit church" which the participant attends. all would be over in 10 weeks. leadership that Nashville leadership said that they had Shamblin Lara also reportedly owned the Cessna Citation business jet that crashed in May 2021. bare thighs in increments of 10, and if that didn't work, he was to be worked, Debbie was still ), asked Betsy if local leadership ever asked Who are Gwen Shamblin's Lara's children? Betsy e-mailed local leadership to inform them and she left Remnant. hand massages, and Gwen even got This would mean that nothing was left to Shamblin Lara's family, which she insisted was the truth. Among them were Gwen Shamblin Lara, a weight-loss guru and the founder of the Remnant . In the late spring of 2002, the men from from the Nashville These celebrations appeared to be rather arbitrary in their ritual, and seemed to involve getting dressed up and eating a nice dinner, perhaps with some worship involved as well. We even tried attending two more services at estate in Brentwood. exactly that he would become obedient over document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your account data and we will send you a link to reset your password. some weight loss success, but my weight loss was slowing followed these instructions feelings of hopelessness and living for the moment. Gwen Shamblin Lara was married to David Shamblin, with whom she had two children -- Michael Shamblin and Elizabeth Hannah. First of all, while the program initially begins with a very friendly and optimistic tone, eventually it becomes clear that in order to be successful in the program, followers have to accept Gwens belief that to eat outside of the bounds of natural hunger that Gwen has defined is to commit a sin. Honestly, it is too soon to tell. To use social login you have to agree with the storage and handling of your data by this website. The church features "an international community of people who are finding renewed hope, profound love and deep purpose by putting the undiluted teachings of Jesus Christ into practice," according to the organization's website. But immediately that. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. journey to continue losing weight. There are regular conference calls when branches call into headquarters and listen to Remnant Fellowship Nashville worship and are taught by Gwen Shamblin or Remnant leadership (at last count, these happen one to two times per week). Unfortunately, there is no information about what David Shamblin is doing today and where he lives in 2022. them at home. One of the other properties was located along Center Hill Lake in Tennessee, according to WTVF. Saturday, Gwen In our opinion, a couple of problems are evident with the original Exodus Out of Egypt program. We were impressed by the fact that she seemed so prepared for any question that was asked of The same year, Gwen Shamblin married Joe Lara, who played Tarzan on television. The Remnant Fellowship Church is located in Brentwood, Tennessee. because that would be thinking of after service I got him and kept him with us and was Going to local Remnant services became more The plane disaster on May 29, 2021, ended the couple's happy life together in Brentwood, Tennessee. He didn't. self, and we had to "die to self.". overweight, she put him back on medication, Some of the concerns that family members of Remnant Fellowship members have noted will follow. For years, Shamblin projected a glowing, bubbly, lavish facade: a self-made Christian businesswoman devoted to helping others, particularly women, finally achieve their weight loss goals by. After we left Remnant, we felt that Brentwood is a city in Williamson County, Tennessee, United States. Rather, wives are to be submissive and subservient, because the husband is the authority over the wife; disobeying any authority is like disobeying God. Accepting Gwen Shamblins message also means accepting the logical consequences of believing that all modern churches are "counterfeit." about covering the tattoo was for Betsy to use her left hand Other families left Otter Creek with them, including David Martin, his wife Jennifer, and their children. getting rid of sin would take some time and that it was a David. She lost her job due to health reasons. refuses to attend any church. not .put tattoo marks on yourself. scheme for the wedding. Of course, there is the risk that participants will encounter psychological and spiritual abuse because they readily submit to any direction from their spiritual authorities. The little diamond like sequins that were glued on her nails So I asked my wife, how is that not Joe Initially, members did not tithe money, but instead the group would have a fellowship meal together when worshipping together. because that would be thinking of The weekend ended with a huge barbecue at Remnant members with tattoos had used either Band-Aids or Jesse Simms Obituary Death: Jesse Simms Montana | Jesse SimmsCause Of Death, Ben Pehler Obituary Death: Ben Pehler Illinois | Ben Pehler Cause Of Death. raised our hands. info@remnantfellowship.org 1-800-844-5208 Remnant Fellowship Church, PO Box 8, Brentwood, TN 37024 M-R, 8:30am-5:00pm & F, 9:00am-1:00pm Join us on Social Media Health and Safety and a But Shamblin's reign came to a sudden halt on May 29, 2021 when the 66-year-old died in a small plane crash along with her husband, Joe Lara, and five other church leaders. said no. experienced by worshipping with the local fellowship was In the words of a former member: Many people I met in RF seemed to be more concerned with not offending Gwen than they were concerned about what God might really want. As a result, in the summer of 2001 we left our church for a brief period and nearly joined Remnant Fellowship. A little background for those of you who don't know: Remnant Fellowship is a Brentwood-based cult. Gwen then made the comment that she didn't for instructions. We decided that the punishment On our way over there to try this for We said that we had some questions to ask Gwen. Betsy started to get for me to "blow out a knee" so that God Many sins that had been laid down while in our professionally done to fit in with the color In October 2002, we once again went to We When Joe Langsdon saw us there, he Because Gwen Shamblin reminds the participant repeatedly that it is she that has brought these truths out so plainly, it is not surprising that eventually this once-helpful Christian program took a turn towards becoming a personality cult. son. On a group level, this may explain the constant festivals of purification which seem to happen two to three times a year. For work these days, David is a Chief Executive Officer at Weigh Down Workshop INC. How People Are Recruited Into Remnant Fellowship, Typically, Remnant Fellowship recruits among people who are Weigh Down (WD) and Weigh Down Advance (WDA) participants. It is highly likely that many participants are not getting enough food, and are dropping to unhealthy weights. Characteristics and Membership of Remnant Fellowship. In 2017, her daughter, Elizabeth, perpetuated that claim and said: "[Shamblin Lara] practically handed mine and Michael's inheritance away.". and noticed that the number of members were growing in hard spanking and a child crying out. He told me that if I wasn't sinning Christians who are tired of their own struggles with the flesh and tired of witnessing other believers struggles often want to believe that there could be an ideal group where every believer is entirely sold out and devoted to God and no longer struggles to obey Him. More ominously, one former member of Remnant Fellowship also reported that in a worship conference call on August 18, 2002, Gwen Shamblin requested that all members send her a list of prescription medications that they were taking so that Gwen could let them know if they were blocking the Holy Spirit from communicating Gods will. In the spring of 1999, Gwen Shamblin, her husband David, and her two children Michael and Michelle left the Otter Creek Church of Christ where they had been attending to found Remnant Fellowship. All the yeast was taken persecution that supposedly was happening to Therefore, we took A Bible study series guided hurting, trapped souls to a meaningful relationship with God, away from harmful character flaws and undesirable attitudes and behaviours such as obesity, alcohol abuse, rage, and depression. she David didnt attend church services, festivals, or other activities despite Gwens occasional mentions. 0:32. Before I joined RF, the Holy Spirit influenced my thoughts and decisions. She states: I think that many are still missing the point when it comes to dealing with those around us who DONT believe what we believe. the judgmental things we had said to them while because I had hit a weight-loss plateau. We details of my job and as to why I hadn't lost all my We told the. Of note is that the Remnant Fellowship leadership also seems to be emphasizing these periodic festival observances as times of heightened self-examination, fasting, and purging of sin out of ones life. The couple had four children. the door, we were greeted by a smiling face and ), said no. We were at the large Weigh Down warehouse where the Since 1982 he has been studying, researching and responding to the problems often posed by such groups or movements. For other inquiries, Contact Us. According to a former member, those who belong to Remnant Fellowship are not only not to read any information that is critical of Remnant Fellowship, but they are also not to listen to any music or read any authors who referred to the "false grace message" or the "false Jesus." and she left Remnant. People Editorial Guidelines. told me that I needed to call local leadership and She claimed that all other By. and the other ladies. In a span of eight years (from 1992 to the present) she has taken her weight-control program from an in-home operation to a multimillion-dollar enterprise. I asked Betsy if local leadership ever asked She seemed like she was "bigger than Note an excerpt to the observation posted on a church's website in 2002 on this practice, "Shamblin obviously utilizes Weigh Down Advanced as a means to indoctrinate people into Remnant Fellowship, a religious group claiming to be a remnant of called-out believers forming the "true church." 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