Ahhh sooooo. Apologia Radio P.O. For instance, in this design, the red-coloured alpha symbol is adding a certain vibrance to the overall motif. Registrant Organization:to attn. The priest jsut sits there takes it all in. Also, even the more knowledgeable anti-Catholics will recognize that there is no lack of historical, philosophical, or even Biblical support for Catholicism. It seems to me that White lacks good judgment, a virtue that I learned from the Philosopher as well as Scripture. Oh, and your most recent comment: Given that this wasnt what I said, I dont care about your opinion of it. Petard, meet hoist. This design is not only related to Jesus but also offers the message of peace. God bless you for your remarks! and go on to sing Kumbaya right afterwards? But having said that, White has shown he is a gentleman just look at the debates with Pacwa, for instance. How do you control Him, contain Him, market Him? To do a thorough job would take time far beyond this combox and as I am not a sociologist of humor, I would certainly want to consult Christie Davies in England (he is not Catholic, so there could be no charge of bias), because he is a sociologist of humor and would have a better handle on that aspect of things. The Canon of Scripture (i.e, just what books actually belong in the Bible) cant be found in the individuals books that comprise the bible. Another example of uncharitable construction of anothers thoughts. I am not necessarily sticking up for this kind of behavior(in terms of the pictures) but everyone is human and give the guy a break. Does the New Testament Teach that Peter was the First Pope? That is in plain English. He was a murderer from the beginning: and he stood not in the truth, because truth is not in him. Have you told the church yet Esau? Otherwise, how is one to judge between one list of books and another? I get folks contacting me privately about things Qin Shi Huang (260 210 BC) is the most prominent of the Chinese emperors. Keep on rejoicing. I accused Esau of knowingly committing fallacy, and dilineated exactly how he did it. ASU is a Pac 10 school. SighI reckon its a tragic cycle of internet violence. Whose fruit is this squabbling between Jimmy and James? Matthew, No. However, it is axiomatic that all healing comes from Jesus. Because if he repents, you should forgive him. Godwins Law is limited to comparisons with Nazis and Hitler. In that respect, StubbleSpark, I appreciate your adventurous thinking, though it seems to me that we do need some lumps to go with our cake. I feel if I quote anymore Dr. White is going to sue me. Are you a disciple? ******************** I have twenty-five years of experience in the field and I know most of the state-of-the art research and researchers. The Story of the Prophet Iddo Par for the course. The floral patterns are surrounding the combined alpha and omega motif which is further surrounded by a lovely golden frame. People actually thought Dr. Beckwith was serious? Of course not. (You all know this from I simply felt that it would be best if the questions asked did not continue to go unanswered (in this particular blog entry,as theyve previously been answered elsewhere), and I lament that there is no combox forum on James Whites blog to hold an actual discourse on his writing. Is making such a claim excused by someone elses previous claim? No. In that post, Jimmy links to http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2003/0309bt.asp If people had stuck to the topic, there would not be nearly 700 mostly off-topic posts (what is this, Slashdot?). Relationship implies that it goes both ways. M Burke criticized Francis Beckwiths doctorate, but refers to James White as Dr White? 7:10,11) Fully understandable! Those to Whom they personally Handed down they Faith and their Authority? It might be saying the person was not being logical or didnt understand. Why dont you try to explain it in plain English? Which is correct? Thank you James White! Is it Possible for a Non-Christians Enter Heaven? Do you know that the phrase drama queen is in the Merriam-Webster dictionary as a person given to often excessively emotional performances or reactions. In Outsons.com is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to (amazon.com and or other merchants). Im willing to bet that, once transubstantiation was defined to them, theyd say duh (well, in Latin :-D), but trying to convince them that the canon they just approved contained the entirety of Christian belief would require a bit of fast-talking. My parents and loved ones dont blindly follow the work of an internet apologist, regarding him and his work with blind fervor and zeal, hypocritically asking for things that they themselves dont offer. I was addressing the Roman Catholic apologetics community. He was wondering why people accept a consensus of the early church on the cannon of scripture and dont accept a similar consensus on penance and the real presence. That after I twice said that if you have questions, just ask them. Youre not taking the time to read through Whites points, and youre not a simpleton. You can. It took a while, but I found it: HA! I think JWs picture has served its purpose though but distracting the discuss from the origional point: JW impugned that Dr. Beckwith is a liar, that point in turn was diverting the discussion from the actual point of what Trent actually said. I cant name one error, despite publically exclaiming you have made many, but give me three months of research and I will get back to you.. That dissolves to blindly accepting whatever one is told, without reference to the conscience God gave to every human individual, as individuals. Well, so much for the liberalization of the church, her mass, customs and teachings to bring in the Protestants, they still hate the church! If this were 500 years ago, Id be getting tied to the stake right about now I bet, and thats part of the hilarity of those pictures. It isnt funny to point out that the people who make vague accusations about the URL could have done it themselves? This is a very vague, generalized statement. They were still hellbound in their sins, Another reason there never will be a definitive teaching on whether the salvation of those converting from OSAS will never appear is because it would involve an ecclesial body exercising authority in time regarding matters not settled in Scripture that were always true but never questioned or seriously considered until now. as being authors of particular books? You believe what it says to you, and the Protestants believe what it says to them. Assuming a Conclusion (James White is innocent) based on a rather biased examination of what appears to be little facts about the subject matter Confessing to a Priest has Biblical basis; confessing to God personally does not. Many of the posters on this site make all sorts of wild, personal and unsubstantiated accusations directly against Dr White and never seem to find the time or the courage to back up their claims by directly confronting him with factual data. A person who does this whether correct or mistaken loves me, cares about me, and wants to help me grow closer to Jesus Christ. Jesus or Paul? Genuine Gospel of Our Lord. I am expressing the truth. the Catholic Church is, I believe, truly Christs Church Also, those of us in Protestantism do just say God did it as you so immaturely put it. I noted today another fascinating post from Art Sippo, the Catholic lay apologist (and writer of odd pulp fiction stories). Obviously you will probably disagree. Catholics and Protestants both believe what they say it says. 877-753-3341 (US Callers Only). Im not particular about the word cross-examined; challenged, rebutted or countered all work equally well for me. That is not in the interest of Catholic Answers, unless you think they are a bunch of very stupid people. Regulars here know that I try to show restraint, but I have to tell you that those grace and peace lines had me reaching for the barf bag. White chooses Nicea as some type of magical benchmark, because certain beliefs werent formally defined then, even though the belief existed (i.e., transubstantiation). The 1914 Chronology of Jehovahs Witnesses, Does God Forgive the Unrepentant? Sola Scriptura is Scripture used as the sole measure of faith. 1-877-753-3341 (Toll Free) The Canon did not spring into being as a result of some random act of an Author. I have a question Matthew, if the Catholic church is salvation through Christ, why must one confess to a Catholic priest to recieve absolution? Perhaps not in your generation, but eventually an idea is known by its children. Its out to confuse you! Although not quite as fast as calling yourself Thomas Aquinas or is that the name your Mama gave you. I said substance, not opinions. Esau, Ergo, your proposition doesnt make sense, and dont try to rob the situation of its context again. are quite good at presenting this, and doing it in an easy to understand manner at the same time, when the situation is appropriate for such discussions. (Sorry for the awkward phrasing, I wanted to tweak it to be more parallel.) I really dont care if youre talking Geneva or Rome. Allow me to accentuate the latter part of your comments: If ya hold to one. And there never can be. apologize to ????him. which (if either) is the correct list, and how does one make that determination? CareBear: No I dont and I never did so Id appreciate it if youll write a recantation to that accusation. I think there is also a misunderstanding on what the word Charity means. Thanks, Jeremiah. It is despicable. with Shabir Ally at Georgia Tech, Atlanta, Georgia 11/13/2019, Response to Dr. Shabir Ally, Part IV (Conclusion), Debate: Did the Earliest Followers of Jesus Believe in His Deity? I wasnt replying to him. And thanks for the personal attacks, mary, I really apprecaite you being mean to me when i havent down anything top anyone on here. Please read Jimmys post found here. to the theology of Union with Christ. We are obliged to yield many things to the Papists (there, he means Catholics); that they possess the Word of God which we received from them. Sacralism is a paradigm of absolute unity between church and state that could not, would not distinguish between material, institutional trappings of human magesterial authority and the spiritual realities of the heavenly kingdom. Is this not getting through or are you just ignoring the fact your comitting fallacy like I sarcastically portrayed? William: check out Cy the Cyclopes kitten. Esau, as a limited human, do you have the capacity to consider ALL of the evidence? Admin Street2: There is plenty of early documentation of belief that the bread and the wine become the Body and Blood of Christ, but I havent seen anything to substantiate a belief in Scripture Alone, especially since there wasnt a definitive list of authentic scriptures (i.e., the controversy over what was valid scripture and what wasnt was a part of the reason for the convening of the council.) Status:TRANSFER PROHIBITED Mr. Akin, James White is the director of Alpha and Omega Ministries, a Christian apologetics organization based in Phoenix, Arizona. Bingo, Francis 03. http://jimmyakin.typepad.com/defensor_fidei/2007/08/james-white-has.html#c79351988. If so, who chose you? I doubt whether anyone familiar with White thinks hes an idiot in fact. because it is Gods revelation and His authority and he does not share or mediate that authority ever. The Revelation of Elias watch them). Really? This is old knowledge in the humor field and at worst I may have stated things in a compressed and hasty fashion because of limited space. That the pictures are offensive is completely immaterial to those few who come to his defense. Oh, by the way, how convenient that you have the benefit of hindsight, since the Canon of the New Testament that Protestants have was due to the Romanists! If so, then why did they fail to communicate that point. Alpha omega tattoos are commonly sported by men, but that does not mean women cannot get these tattoos. But I will reveal the truth to you: Its too late to save James White. The more important and interesting point is whether the humor passes the common man test: would a common man, independent of theological connotations, find the joke funny? Beautiful Savior Yes, we must forgive people for calling James White an ignorant moronic idiot, deceiver, liar, fool, troll, stupid, just a general loser. Sorry, Im not dead set on assuming the conclusion that they were wrong when I dont find them wrong in the first place. But to claim theres some comparison within Catholicism is a joke. . Do the Catholic Churchs Teachings on Mary Constitute Authentic Christian Doctrine? another oh Doing evil that good might result is not I don't know even Why on earth should we read Whites book in addition to Scripture? I got sick of reading the comments about half way through. My Reply I am an expert in humor and its analysis and I am speaking within my field of competence. Started off listening to a clip from Dr. Frank Turek with Leighton Flowers wherein Turek opines that many Reformed folks just have not thought through the ramifications of their position. It boggles my mind that people pop in, make an outlandish statement and expect to be taken seriously. While I dont wish to hurt your arguement against Esau, I wasnt refering to Catholics when I said enjoy the freakshow. It is merely pointing out an anomaly. Would the Disciples not choose their own disciples? Go back to the Bob & Joe example. And most of the people dont come here to debate. As Mary noted, she and I are different people. Its not a true blog, that part aside, one can email Dr White directly and comments that have come through email are handled by Dr. White or aomin.org staff. Ok most of these comments are getting ridiculousseriously. To say that man cooperates with God in writing Scripture takes away from Gods sovereignty. you called me a name-caller and labeled my actions as inappropriate and vile. Soon as White says Look, Im sorry Ill be cool with im. The Revelation of Zechariah Posted by: CareBear | Aug 9, 2007 10:09:37 PM. As a Catholic, I agree with GLowe. 5) James White posts pictures comparing these persons to radical Muslims who behead people for not accepting their particular theological viewpoint. Did you have something of substance you wanted to say, or were you just going to back me up in a sarcastic manner. See Verduin, Stepchildren of the Reformation. As for your second, some other day perhaps you can tell me what you think should means. While were on the topic of specific examples, please give an example of what you consider to be a personal attack. Let him be the first not to forgive. Your comments here are dead-on and what I was trying to express rather poorly and without much success Im afraid. Some of us believe that Jesus fed the 4,000 with a few fish and seven loaves through a miracle of God. Mary Kay, Russ, absolutely. If youve already said your list of books is divinely inspired, then you (i.e. There it says punishment is sufficient, now forgive. There can be no excuse for this. James White owes Catholics an apology for this. To say that God would place such an error at the heart of His revelation is to say that He asks us to place our reason aside and assume that He does not play by logical rules. I have to admit that I was reminded by the saying that if you have to explain the humor, it wasnt funny. And that, having ordained what is Holy Scripture, God will not allow us to misunderstand it. Satanic Easy-To-Read Version Esau, the claim was Whites supporters are either unable or unwilling to participate in a serious discussion. Such a claim is based on a negative view of SOME of his supporters on this forum and ignores the existence of supporters, perhaps to include those who haved posted on JA, who have been and/or are otherwise willing to participate in serious discussion were it not for the hostilities and dismissiveness present on the JA forum. Mea culpa for my role in this. Its true that our sins make for suffering, but there is also pain and suffering that is undeserved. It is regionally accredited and offers PhDs in religious studies and philosophy. The pictures White posted are offensive, even if intended as humor. As somebody earlier mentioned it is the accusing party that must prove their case! The gnostic Baptist in me in wanted to run away. I do not need to address any of the theological issues you wish addressed or asked for an answer to in this thread, because neither I nor anyone else was asked to do so in this thread. 2) While said random posters include those with a less-than-charitable bend (and I make no excuses for them). He strikes me as just another guy who has a following, wailing about how badly hes been treated by the bad ol world. Akin does himself a disservice with this post because it simply added weight to Whites charge of double standard. Akin should consider the charity he expects White to display, and then display that in his own posts. ohperhaps research the concepts in catholic moral theology of rash judgement. 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